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Endeavour Starfleet
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Posted - 2013.08.08 23:13:00 -
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CCP Rise wrote:We are going to put a small change in for 1.1:
Dominix's drone tracking and optimal range bonus lowered from 10% per level to 7.5% per level.
This brings the bonus in line with all other damage application bonuses we give, such as turret tracking bonuses or missile explosion velocity/radius bonuses. The Dominix hasn't been oppressively powerful but it is extremely strong and there is no need for the over-allocation with regards to this bonus.
In case some of you think this is a reaction to the way the Domi performed in the alliance tournament, I can tell you that we will never make balance decisions based on that environment. The tournament certainly highlighted the strengths of sentry drones and damps, which are both powerful on TQ as well, but it removed many of their drawbacks and so it is not an effective way to assess balance or power in normal EVE.
How about NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Drones have MANY disadvantages. They are the only weapon system that can be removed from the player using them and you are comparing them to turrets? What is wrong with CCP these days?
Please say you will not implement this. This is yet another HUGE nerf to those who bothered to focus their training and you are basically telling newer players to not bother focusing their skills because they are just going to be nerfed anyway.
Seriously what is the point of playing this game when you are doing things like this CCP Rise? You took a giant step forward with the changes to industral craft yet with this change the game is running backwards.
Why are you spending valuable development time nerfing ships you have JUST recently fixed? Why should the players find this acceptable?
Don't do this. Please say this is not happening. |
Endeavour Starfleet
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Posted - 2013.08.08 23:43:00 -
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Goldensaver wrote:Man, so many tears in this thread. At this rate there'll be enough to fill my stores. I'm actually quite appreciate of this change. It brings them more in line but still leaves them with advantages over turrets.
In my opinion you have not spent the time training to use the ship properly. You simply do not understand how easy it is to remove a Domi's ability to do DPS. And neither does CCP in my opinion.
Instead of actually putting in the development time to fix drone UI weaknesses, change NPC aggro so that drones aren't primaried by them right off the bat. Or you know making changes to the game that are actually wanted "Like Logi on killmails" They decide to simply nerf the Domi and done with it?
For someone like me who actually had patience. Who actually bothererd to wait until I had the skill to make use of this ship. Why should I find this change acceptable? Why should I accept CCP comparing drones to turrets? |
Endeavour Starfleet
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Posted - 2013.08.08 23:47:00 -
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Sigras wrote:^^
So you would rather have the old CCP back where they would just balance change something and forget about it for 3-6 years?
(cough)Eos(cough)
The Domi is balanced with a 10 percent bonus. There are so many other ships in the game that need a balance pass and the Domi is not one of them. Especially when removing their DPS is EASY compared to removing DPS of a turret or missile ship.
So yes It could have stood that way for 3-6 years and been fine. Only fools were complaining about the domi and it is saddening to see CCP accepting the arguement of fools instead of focusing development time on aspects of the game that need changing now. (Logistics need so much development time) |
Endeavour Starfleet
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Posted - 2013.08.09 01:01:00 -
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Tyberius Franklin wrote:Endeavour Starfleet wrote:Sigras wrote:^^
So you would rather have the old CCP back where they would just balance change something and forget about it for 3-6 years?
(cough)Eos(cough) The Domi is balanced with a 10 percent bonus. There are so many other ships in the game that need a balance pass and the Domi is not one of them. Especially when removing their DPS is EASY compared to removing DPS of a turret or missile ship. So yes It could have stood that way for 3-6 years and been fine. Only fools were complaining about the domi and it is saddening to see CCP accepting the arguement of fools instead of focusing development time on aspects of the game that need changing now. (Logistics need so much development time) Logistics aren't even up on the table yet and I severely doubt that this is taking any real amount of time save looking over the usage and effectiveness of the ship on TQ, which is what they should be doing anyways. The revised bonus leaves you at 87% of the effect in range and tracking you had before and the ship was useable even before that bonus was applied. A single Omni tracking link more than makes up the loss. Edit: Math Fail, I compared lvl 5 of the current to lvl 4 of the revised, you're actually getting ~92% range
This is indeed not taking any real time. Not any proper time at all looking at the realistic use of this ship as opposed to a stupid tournament.
The nerfs have to stop now. You let this change go through on this already balanced ship. And it will be Drake 2.0 The Domi will be the cause of all EVE Online's ills and then CCP will be more than happy to nerf it again and again.
The Domi is being turned into a scapegoat. And I do not accept that. |
Endeavour Starfleet
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Posted - 2013.08.09 01:37:00 -
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What feedback where they getting to start? Where were the countless topics saying "OMFG DAT DOMI TOO GOOD NERF IT NAO!!!111"
Who asked them to make this change? Especially when there have been countless topics to do something about the ability to AFK while cloaked, Logi UI issues and lack of Killboard, Drone UI, etc..
We were idiots when we thought the first nerf to the Drake was going to be anything but a long line of blame the Drake for everything. And now we want the Domi to be that again? I think not. Stop the nerf to an already balanced ship now and it won't be further nerfed later.
This is an unwanted, pointless change that further punishes those who bother to train to actually fly these ships. On a ship that is already balanced.
It is a complete waste of development resources when far more important changes need the time now. |
Endeavour Starfleet
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Posted - 2013.08.09 14:44:00 -
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CCP Rise wrote:Quote:I don't think this is a needed change. It's not soul crushing, and I'm not going to rage about it, but clearly you are targeting how powerful sentry drones are with their massive tracking and range. You're right that there's some distinct disadvantages to using drones (and sentries especially), but think about all the ways the ship is already accounting for that. The biggest one is that it gets more bonuses to its primary weapons than a missile or turret based ship would. This one bonus is giving +50% optimal AND +50% tracking; imagine a Megathron or Maelstrom with that kind of bonus. Drone disadvantages are also balanced by things like having a free top rack that you can use to get even more damage or pick up tons of utility or the ability to switch weapon sizes and damage types freely.
You are comparing a ship that has to stand still to do its DPS and hope to recover the drones with Turret based ships?! Ships that NEVER have to worry about their DPS perma removed from them with a well planned AOE attack?
Why should I as a player accept this from you CCP RIse? Hell if you got a problem with NPC posting alts just say so and I will reveal my main characters. Why? Because it is worth it if it stops this horrifying start to a likely long chain of nerfs.
Again why is development time being spent on this unwanted and unwarranted nerf when there are far better changes that could be done in time for 1.1?
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Endeavour Starfleet
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Posted - 2013.08.09 14:51:00 -
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DP Lip wrote:right.... sentry's drones dominated the tournament and this nerf is good 
Tournaments have nothing to do with how things happen day to day on TQ. That is why using ANY data from those crap tourneys to balance anything in EVE is a bad idea from the very start. |
Endeavour Starfleet
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Posted - 2013.08.09 22:36:00 -
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CCP RIse again will you please consider dropping this plan for 1.1? WIll you please stop treating drone boats like they are turret boats? |
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